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		<title>By: Report: Mistakes Overseas Students and Migrants Make and Just Pay With Credit!! &#187; The Displaced African</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/01/having-cake-and-eating-it-2/comment-page-4/#comment-134322</link>
		<dc:creator>Report: Mistakes Overseas Students and Migrants Make and Just Pay With Credit!! &#187; The Displaced African</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am starting to feel like my blog is redundant when I read articles such as these from M that pretty much say exactly what I want to say, exactly the way I want to say [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] am starting to feel like my blog is redundant when I read articles such as these from M that pretty much say exactly what I want to say, exactly the way I want to say [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mwangi - the Displaced African</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/01/having-cake-and-eating-it-2/comment-page-4/#comment-134320</link>
		<dc:creator>Mwangi - the Displaced African</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truer words were never spoken!</description>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/01/having-cake-and-eating-it-2/comment-page-4/#comment-34683</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is kinda late to be reading and commenting on this article but it is absolutely brilliant. Can I publish it?

I am in the States but I think anyone who sends money back home to support people there does nothing for the economy. As a matter of fact, it is an insult for the government to be trumpeting the KShs 65 Billion being sent from the Diaspora. You mean to tell me you have done such a bad job in building the economy that remittances are the leading source of foreign exchange in the country? 

I think we need to have programs where actual solutions such as helping families gain real wealth through entrepreneurship or investments or the like. This will build the economy while providing families with real sources of income. To keep sending money is to keep training people to rely on you for ever. The only way to solve our problems and progress is solve the root cause of sending money - poverty. That by the way is solved by giving the poor a chance to make their OWN money, not yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is kinda late to be reading and commenting on this article but it is absolutely brilliant. Can I publish it?</p>
<p>I am in the States but I think anyone who sends money back home to support people there does nothing for the economy. As a matter of fact, it is an insult for the government to be trumpeting the KShs 65 Billion being sent from the Diaspora. You mean to tell me you have done such a bad job in building the economy that remittances are the leading source of foreign exchange in the country? </p>
<p>I think we need to have programs where actual solutions such as helping families gain real wealth through entrepreneurship or investments or the like. This will build the economy while providing families with real sources of income. To keep sending money is to keep training people to rely on you for ever. The only way to solve our problems and progress is solve the root cause of sending money &#8211; poverty. That by the way is solved by giving the poor a chance to make their OWN money, not yours.</p>
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		<title>By: KANITHO-M's fan!</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/01/having-cake-and-eating-it-2/comment-page-4/#comment-24566</link>
		<dc:creator>KANITHO-M's fan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Holidays Wakenya!
Quotable quotes of 2006 by M: 1)Relax a little. Smell the oxygen.hahaha! 2)Relax. Take deep breaths.hehehe!...this made my day..
Amongst all the mishales(na mikukis) flying swiftly across the globe on this blog, some soundly landing with deposits of real topical issues,while others seemed to aim and somehow land amiss,  it has all made for not only food for thought but a hearty gooood laugh!
Thanks for allowing the diasporians to express their heartfelt maonis on our beloved HOMELAND!

Your are a Top man!

 Insipirational poem I came across;

&quot;If you think you are beaten, you are,
    If you think you dare not, you don&#039;t.
If you like to win but you think you can&#039;t,
   It is almost certain you won&#039;t.

&quot;If you think you&#039;ll lose, you&#039;re lost,
   For out in the world we find,
Success begins with a fellow&#039;s will-
   It&#039;s all in the state of mind.

&quot;If you think you are outclassed, you are,
   You&#039;ve got to think high to rise,
You&#039;ve got to be sure of yourself before
   You can ever win a prize

&quot;Life&#039;s battles don&#039;t always go
   To the stronger or faster (wo)man,
But soon or later the man who wins
   Is the (wo)man WHO THINKS HE/SHE CAN!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Holidays Wakenya!<br />
Quotable quotes of 2006 by M: 1)Relax a little. Smell the oxygen.hahaha! 2)Relax. Take deep breaths.hehehe!&#8230;this made my day..<br />
Amongst all the mishales(na mikukis) flying swiftly across the globe on this blog, some soundly landing with deposits of real topical issues,while others seemed to aim and somehow land amiss,  it has all made for not only food for thought but a hearty gooood laugh!<br />
Thanks for allowing the diasporians to express their heartfelt maonis on our beloved HOMELAND!</p>
<p>Your are a Top man!</p>
<p> Insipirational poem I came across;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you think you are beaten, you are,<br />
    If you think you dare not, you don&#8217;t.<br />
If you like to win but you think you can&#8217;t,<br />
   It is almost certain you won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you think you&#8217;ll lose, you&#8217;re lost,<br />
   For out in the world we find,<br />
Success begins with a fellow&#8217;s will-<br />
   It&#8217;s all in the state of mind.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you think you are outclassed, you are,<br />
   You&#8217;ve got to think high to rise,<br />
You&#8217;ve got to be sure of yourself before<br />
   You can ever win a prize</p>
<p>&#8220;Life&#8217;s battles don&#8217;t always go<br />
   To the stronger or faster (wo)man,<br />
But soon or later the man who wins<br />
   Is the (wo)man WHO THINKS HE/SHE CAN!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Billion Dollar KTs at Gathunuku</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/01/having-cake-and-eating-it-2/comment-page-4/#comment-21797</link>
		<dc:creator>Billion Dollar KTs at Gathunuku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The one thing that was very visible was the enthusiasm by most KTs to invest back home. Maybe that comment by Mutumia on the now famous post is indeed true; &#8216;KT-ing&#8217; and &#8216;nation building&#8217; need not be mutually exclusive. With the debate that is going on about the shortage of investment opportunities over at this post and this other one, I am of the opinion that investment professionals have their work cut out. There&#8217;s a glut of capital [KT remittances, increased bank liquidity and first time investors] and obviously many opportunities. These two factors are only asking for a rendezvous and everyone is happy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The one thing that was very visible was the enthusiasm by most KTs to invest back home. Maybe that comment by Mutumia on the now famous post is indeed true; &#8216;KT-ing&#8217; and &#8216;nation building&#8217; need not be mutually exclusive. With the debate that is going on about the shortage of investment opportunities over at this post and this other one, I am of the opinion that investment professionals have their work cut out. There&#8217;s a glut of capital [KT remittances, increased bank liquidity and first time investors] and obviously many opportunities. These two factors are only asking for a rendezvous and everyone is happy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TECHNICIAN</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/01/having-cake-and-eating-it-2/comment-page-4/#comment-21635</link>
		<dc:creator>TECHNICIAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the blog writer is saying is &quot;STOP THE DELUSION!!&quot; 

As is obvious,  nobody can force the diaspora  Kenyans to come back home and and build the country, but they must realize what they are doing is irrelevant in the bigger picture. Besides how do they think the high rises, the road networks and superior technological advances in US and Europe were made. By research, dedication, investment etc NOT by somebody wiring money every month!

Thinker is right, you cannot have your cake and eat it!! This problem would be solved by requiring all who proceed to emigrate for flimsy reasons to leave their national identity and citizenship at the door. Proceed to live &quot;feed yourself&quot; and &quot;take care of immediate needs&quot;. Don&#039;t let the door hit you on your way out. 

This is not an issue of patriotism, it is an issue of common sense! An analogy: if you spend all your time cleaning other people&#039;s houses, using extraordinary &quot;next generation&quot; cleaning agents, then neglecting your own house, then complain that nothing is getting done in your own house!! Who do you think will do it?? Jeez!!  If it is a problem of technology and resources,  complaining about using &quot;outdated&quot; cleanign agents will not help, since you have been exposed to these fancy Western gadgets and technology, apply the same in your own house. 

Now extrapolate this situation to whatever sector is of interest to you, the economy, technology, academia  etc. The Kenyans who have studied abroad are in a position of great advantage in that they have been exposed first hand to the mechanisms in the Western commerce and industry and if motivated enough can reproduce this knowledge and creativity in their home turf. 

The comment(s) equating this mass emigration of Kenyans (for flimsy reasons) to foreign (usually Western countries)  to rural-urban migration is incorrect. It is apples and oranges. The relatives one has in Siaya, Kerugoya or Mtwapa are all citizens of Kenya, any economic or structural growth benefits them, albeit not immediately. The gains and advancements made in research, technology etc done in foreign countries using their resources are the property of those sovereign countries. 

People just need to stop the delusion. The masses will continue to go abroad, some will achieve great heights in their careers, others will be doing low level jobs for decades on end. Others still will come back home, secure excellent jobs in MNC, parastatals and private companies, and yet others will come back home, find their skills are not applicable and suffer massive frustration. All these are possible outcomes. Nothing in life is a guarantee. However, the delusion must stop. Wiring funds from abroad at regular intervals is NOT building the country. 

Final thought: There is a vicious cycle set in place in Kenya. You have all seen/heard/met the token expatriate high level manager in many companies. Some are qualified, others grossly underqualified. I do believe, with the exception of some multinational companies and any underhanded politics aside, there was at some point a shortage of  native Kenyans with the requisite skills/experience/education in some sectors. However, that was then, this is now, with graduates from both local schools and those abroad having advanced degrees in fields like Engineering and IT, there is no excuse not to hire local. BUT with all the good qualified folks running away, what option do they have but.....drum roll please...bring in yet another expat. 

What happens next, pockets of students and grads in America, Europe and Asia whine on end about their employment prospects back in Kenya. How only foreigners get the top level juicy jobs. It is a vicious cycle people. Only we can stop it. 

So either come back home, roll up your sleeves and get to work or stay wherever you are, wire back your weekly/monthly/annual remittance but do not expect a collective show of gratitude and appreciation from Kenya and Kenyans as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the blog writer is saying is &#8220;STOP THE DELUSION!!&#8221; </p>
<p>As is obvious,  nobody can force the diaspora  Kenyans to come back home and and build the country, but they must realize what they are doing is irrelevant in the bigger picture. Besides how do they think the high rises, the road networks and superior technological advances in US and Europe were made. By research, dedication, investment etc NOT by somebody wiring money every month!</p>
<p>Thinker is right, you cannot have your cake and eat it!! This problem would be solved by requiring all who proceed to emigrate for flimsy reasons to leave their national identity and citizenship at the door. Proceed to live &#8220;feed yourself&#8221; and &#8220;take care of immediate needs&#8221;. Don&#8217;t let the door hit you on your way out. </p>
<p>This is not an issue of patriotism, it is an issue of common sense! An analogy: if you spend all your time cleaning other people&#8217;s houses, using extraordinary &#8220;next generation&#8221; cleaning agents, then neglecting your own house, then complain that nothing is getting done in your own house!! Who do you think will do it?? Jeez!!  If it is a problem of technology and resources,  complaining about using &#8220;outdated&#8221; cleanign agents will not help, since you have been exposed to these fancy Western gadgets and technology, apply the same in your own house. </p>
<p>Now extrapolate this situation to whatever sector is of interest to you, the economy, technology, academia  etc. The Kenyans who have studied abroad are in a position of great advantage in that they have been exposed first hand to the mechanisms in the Western commerce and industry and if motivated enough can reproduce this knowledge and creativity in their home turf. </p>
<p>The comment(s) equating this mass emigration of Kenyans (for flimsy reasons) to foreign (usually Western countries)  to rural-urban migration is incorrect. It is apples and oranges. The relatives one has in Siaya, Kerugoya or Mtwapa are all citizens of Kenya, any economic or structural growth benefits them, albeit not immediately. The gains and advancements made in research, technology etc done in foreign countries using their resources are the property of those sovereign countries. </p>
<p>People just need to stop the delusion. The masses will continue to go abroad, some will achieve great heights in their careers, others will be doing low level jobs for decades on end. Others still will come back home, secure excellent jobs in MNC, parastatals and private companies, and yet others will come back home, find their skills are not applicable and suffer massive frustration. All these are possible outcomes. Nothing in life is a guarantee. However, the delusion must stop. Wiring funds from abroad at regular intervals is NOT building the country. </p>
<p>Final thought: There is a vicious cycle set in place in Kenya. You have all seen/heard/met the token expatriate high level manager in many companies. Some are qualified, others grossly underqualified. I do believe, with the exception of some multinational companies and any underhanded politics aside, there was at some point a shortage of  native Kenyans with the requisite skills/experience/education in some sectors. However, that was then, this is now, with graduates from both local schools and those abroad having advanced degrees in fields like Engineering and IT, there is no excuse not to hire local. BUT with all the good qualified folks running away, what option do they have but&#8230;..drum roll please&#8230;bring in yet another expat. </p>
<p>What happens next, pockets of students and grads in America, Europe and Asia whine on end about their employment prospects back in Kenya. How only foreigners get the top level juicy jobs. It is a vicious cycle people. Only we can stop it. </p>
<p>So either come back home, roll up your sleeves and get to work or stay wherever you are, wire back your weekly/monthly/annual remittance but do not expect a collective show of gratitude and appreciation from Kenya and Kenyans as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Free Speech, Literally at Gathunuku</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/01/having-cake-and-eating-it-2/comment-page-4/#comment-12873</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Speech, Literally at Gathunuku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some (read diaspora KTs) may already know about flat rate phone services. I&#8217;m talking about the kind where they charge a fixed fee (really low, about £10/$10 per month) and include unlimited landline calls. Of course many haven&#8217;t got a clue why telcos have become this generous with their service offerings and honestly end-users shouldn&#8217;t care. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some (read diaspora KTs) may already know about flat rate phone services. I&#8217;m talking about the kind where they charge a fixed fee (really low, about £10/$10 per month) and include unlimited landline calls. Of course many haven&#8217;t got a clue why telcos have become this generous with their service offerings and honestly end-users shouldn&#8217;t care. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Toiyoi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toiyoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the reason why this happens? 
(i) Africans are base people, leaving a 19th century mindest in this 21st century
(ii)Africans are not samrt people: presented with problems, they run away, not solve them
(iii) Africans have no sense of self worh: no matter how much they protest, they believe the white man has solutions to all his problems: if not, how come you go west?
(iv) Africans have a &quot;give me give me&quot; mentality: blames the governments for not creating jobs, and seeks what someone else has created,  instead of creating one. 
(v) Africans are cowards: seek comfort in the west,  instead of swating out a solution home
(vi) Africans are dim: they cannot realise that the mzungu is not his bossom buddy.

If the above is not true, i pray, do tell, what ails Africa?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the reason why this happens?<br />
(i) Africans are base people, leaving a 19th century mindest in this 21st century<br />
(ii)Africans are not samrt people: presented with problems, they run away, not solve them<br />
(iii) Africans have no sense of self worh: no matter how much they protest, they believe the white man has solutions to all his problems: if not, how come you go west?<br />
(iv) Africans have a &#8220;give me give me&#8221; mentality: blames the governments for not creating jobs, and seeks what someone else has created,  instead of creating one.<br />
(v) Africans are cowards: seek comfort in the west,  instead of swating out a solution home<br />
(vi) Africans are dim: they cannot realise that the mzungu is not his bossom buddy.</p>
<p>If the above is not true, i pray, do tell, what ails Africa?</p>
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		<title>By: nu2dis</title>
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		<dc:creator>nu2dis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, was that passionate or what?  Very well written piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, was that passionate or what?  Very well written piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ntwiga Mugiri &#187; Blog Archive &#187; musical link: Maroon Commandos - Charonyi (ni wasi)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Ntwiga Mugiri &#187; Blog Archive &#187; musical link: Maroon Commandos - Charonyi (ni wasi)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 06:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The group enjoyed an all time high in 1977 with the hit &#8220;Charoni - Ni Wasi&#8221; that I have posted here for your listening pleasure. I have to let you know however that to me - and many others I am sure - Maroon Commandos is all about &#8220;Amuka Kumekucha&#8220;, that instant early 80&#8217;s (I think 1981) hit that tell everyone to get their &#8220;behinds&#8221; out bed or out of wherever, sign up for &#8220;Patriotism 101&#8221; and go out and build the nation - basically M&#8217;s message to you KTs out there. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The group enjoyed an all time high in 1977 with the hit &#8220;Charoni &#8211; Ni Wasi&#8221; that I have posted here for your listening pleasure. I have to let you know however that to me &#8211; and many others I am sure &#8211; Maroon Commandos is all about &#8220;Amuka Kumekucha&#8220;, that instant early 80&#8217;s (I think 1981) hit that tell everyone to get their &#8220;behinds&#8221; out bed or out of wherever, sign up for &#8220;Patriotism 101&#8221; and go out and build the nation &#8211; basically M&#8217;s message to you KTs out there. [...]</p>
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