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		<title>By: Mwangi - the Displaced African</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/07/randomize/comment-page-1/#comment-134448</link>
		<dc:creator>Mwangi - the Displaced African</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sometimes amazes me how much respect so many of us from the 3rd world have for the UN considering how little they have done for us in the grand scheme of things, especially when our interests conflict with those of the Western powers of US and Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sometimes amazes me how much respect so many of us from the 3rd world have for the UN considering how little they have done for us in the grand scheme of things, especially when our interests conflict with those of the Western powers of US and Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Trojan</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/07/randomize/comment-page-1/#comment-7808</link>
		<dc:creator>Trojan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if am wrong,but in the 1998 US Embassy bombings,i remember some terrorist group saying there are &quot;no innocent bystanders&quot; in their quest to teach the infidels a lesson.now that the shoe is on the other foot (in Lebanon),all of a sudden civilian casualties are too much to bear!if you live by the sword.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if am wrong,but in the 1998 US Embassy bombings,i remember some terrorist group saying there are &#8220;no innocent bystanders&#8221; in their quest to teach the infidels a lesson.now that the shoe is on the other foot (in Lebanon),all of a sudden civilian casualties are too much to bear!if you live by the sword&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: VituVingiSana</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/07/randomize/comment-page-1/#comment-7745</link>
		<dc:creator>VituVingiSana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we have been writing about the war in far-off Israel &amp; Lebanon... a Kenyan policeman was killed by a bomb from a Ugandan Army training &quot;exercise&quot; http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&amp;newsid=78297

The police encampment is 10 kms inland from the border! I find this rather worrisome considering the War Games are very close to Kenya&#039;s border! Were Kenyan positions targetted in the War Games?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we have been writing about the war in far-off Israel &amp; Lebanon&#8230; a Kenyan policeman was killed by a bomb from a Ugandan Army training &#8220;exercise&#8221; <a href="http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&amp;newsid=78297" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&amp;newsid=78297</a></p>
<p>The police encampment is 10 kms inland from the border! I find this rather worrisome considering the War Games are very close to Kenya&#8217;s border! Were Kenyan positions targetted in the War Games?</p>
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		<title>By: VituVingiSana</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/07/randomize/comment-page-1/#comment-7735</link>
		<dc:creator>VituVingiSana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Islam has the concept of &quot;Original Sin&quot;... this is a Christian concept since if you are a sinner when you were born then you have to &quot;accept&quot; Jesus Christ as your &quot;Saviour&quot;...

Judaism &amp; Islam have similar beliefs &amp; prophets until they come to Jesus. JC is a &quot;prophet&quot; according to Islam whereas Judaism DOESN&#039;T acknowledge JC.

Moreover Judaism &amp; Christianity believe Abraham had only one wife (Sarah) thus Hagar&#039;s kids were &quot;illegitimate&quot;....

Hmmm... so Abraham &quot;conveniently&quot; gets God&#039;s OK to shag Hagar to have kids?
Couldn&#039;t God just will Sarah a few kids? Or was it Abe&#039;s lusty loins?

Me thinks the Islamic version is better/truer i.e. Hagar was Abe&#039;s wife #2 (not unheard of in those days)...

So Judaism treats Hagar&#039;s kids/descendants with contempt aka &quot;bastards&quot; coz she was just a maid. 

That&#039;s why I rather take a clean slate today... coz the history is mostly to learn from but not repeat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Islam has the concept of &#8220;Original Sin&#8221;&#8230; this is a Christian concept since if you are a sinner when you were born then you have to &#8220;accept&#8221; Jesus Christ as your &#8220;Saviour&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Judaism &amp; Islam have similar beliefs &amp; prophets until they come to Jesus. JC is a &#8220;prophet&#8221; according to Islam whereas Judaism DOESN&#8217;T acknowledge JC.</p>
<p>Moreover Judaism &amp; Christianity believe Abraham had only one wife (Sarah) thus Hagar&#8217;s kids were &#8220;illegitimate&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; so Abraham &#8220;conveniently&#8221; gets God&#8217;s OK to shag Hagar to have kids?<br />
Couldn&#8217;t God just will Sarah a few kids? Or was it Abe&#8217;s lusty loins?</p>
<p>Me thinks the Islamic version is better/truer i.e. Hagar was Abe&#8217;s wife #2 (not unheard of in those days)&#8230;</p>
<p>So Judaism treats Hagar&#8217;s kids/descendants with contempt aka &#8220;bastards&#8221; coz she was just a maid. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I rather take a clean slate today&#8230; coz the history is mostly to learn from but not repeat!</p>
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		<title>By: Chrenyan</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/07/randomize/comment-page-1/#comment-7730</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrenyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M &quot;...whether you call your God Allah, Yahweh, God, Ngai, Nyasaye etc...&quot;

This smacks of creating God in our own image (what we think He is), when God is a Being on His own. He needs no help from us in order to be. God is not a man&#039;s (or woman&#039;s) personal property. God is simply, God. My thoughts on who He is or whether He exists do not change who He is or whether or not He exists one bit. One of the names used to describe Him in the early Old Testament was Elohim (Self-Existent One). God does not need the help of feeble human arguments to survive, or make us understand Him.

I can assure you that Muslims exclusively believe in their rightness. If we and them are right, why are we what we are? Let&#039;s be nothing, then! Or anything! Being all-inclusive is lying to ourselves, and will get us nowhere. If we believed in the right-ness of Christianity as much as Muslims do in the right-ness of Islam... Muslims profess: &quot;There is one God, his name is Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.&quot; If I put my arm around a Muslim and tell him &quot;You know what? Your God is mine and my God is yours.&quot; He will correct me politely or laugh in my face. Whichever way, he knows I&#039;m wrong. I don&#039;t (yet). There is a fundamental error in thinking that &quot;All roads lead to Rome&quot; applies to religion. They don&#039;t. I&#039;d thought about blogging on this, methinks I will.

Let me ask: is a Muslim a sinner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M &#8220;&#8230;whether you call your God Allah, Yahweh, God, Ngai, Nyasaye etc&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This smacks of creating God in our own image (what we think He is), when God is a Being on His own. He needs no help from us in order to be. God is not a man&#8217;s (or woman&#8217;s) personal property. God is simply, God. My thoughts on who He is or whether He exists do not change who He is or whether or not He exists one bit. One of the names used to describe Him in the early Old Testament was Elohim (Self-Existent One). God does not need the help of feeble human arguments to survive, or make us understand Him.</p>
<p>I can assure you that Muslims exclusively believe in their rightness. If we and them are right, why are we what we are? Let&#8217;s be nothing, then! Or anything! Being all-inclusive is lying to ourselves, and will get us nowhere. If we believed in the right-ness of Christianity as much as Muslims do in the right-ness of Islam&#8230; Muslims profess: &#8220;There is one God, his name is Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.&#8221; If I put my arm around a Muslim and tell him &#8220;You know what? Your God is mine and my God is yours.&#8221; He will correct me politely or laugh in my face. Whichever way, he knows I&#8217;m wrong. I don&#8217;t (yet). There is a fundamental error in thinking that &#8220;All roads lead to Rome&#8221; applies to religion. They don&#8217;t. I&#8217;d thought about blogging on this, methinks I will.</p>
<p>Let me ask: is a Muslim a sinner?</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/07/randomize/comment-page-1/#comment-7723</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Israelis and Hezbollah *are* fighting in a remote desert. And hey, it&#039;s not their fault some civiliians are getting in the way. Hell, it&#039;s not like they&#039;re even laying claim to fighting for their people&#039;s rights/freedom/dignity. They&#039;re fighting an I-Got-You-Last game of tag.

As for MLK, he may have fought for some people&#039;s right, but the bloke was a horrible mysogynist!

Onward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Israelis and Hezbollah *are* fighting in a remote desert. And hey, it&#8217;s not their fault some civiliians are getting in the way. Hell, it&#8217;s not like they&#8217;re even laying claim to fighting for their people&#8217;s rights/freedom/dignity. They&#8217;re fighting an I-Got-You-Last game of tag.</p>
<p>As for MLK, he may have fought for some people&#8217;s right, but the bloke was a horrible mysogynist!</p>
<p>Onward.</p>
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		<title>By: VituVingiSana</title>
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		<dc:creator>VituVingiSana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly, I am encouraged by the counterpoints &amp; arguments that counter my arguments.... (felt good writing that)....

BUT since the American Embassy bombings in Nairobi, I have become increasingly pro-Israel or pro-western...  &quot;The Tipping Point&quot;

OK, the Americans assisted post-bombings coz it was moral &amp; ethical PLUS they were looking for clues... BUT the Brits &amp; Israelis had no need to do so.... Offering condolences would have looked good but they offered REAL support. 

I ask again... did any of the Muslim States offer/send Kenyan victims any assistance? 

Alwaleed Bin Talal (Saudi Billionaire who owns a good chunk of Fairmont which recently bought the Mt. Kenya Safari Club, Norfolk &amp; Aberdares) gave MILLIONS of US$ (though rejected by the City of NY on political grounds) to NYC after Sep 11 2001 to partially DIFFUSE &quot;Muslim guilt&quot; but nothing to Kenya?

Israel sent rescuers to Nyamakima... That was amazing considering there was no &quot;reason&quot; for them to be there! These was STUPID Kenyans at their worst... Poor design, greed &amp; corruption... Nothing to do with Israel!   

We have deliberately keep Israel at bay due to politics - not to upset Muslim Kenyans many of whom criticise Israel but not Osama who was supposedly behind the Embassy bombings- &amp; what has that gotten us? 

We have so much to learn from a country that grows among the world&#039;s best oranges (Jaffa) in a desert, is a major diamond cutting center, high-tech mecca (did you know that the original ICQ - precursor to IM - was an Israeli invention), superior medical treatments, etc

M - The Buddhists never destroyed any mosques so what was the point of the Taliban enraging the Buddhists by destroying PRE-ISLAMIC Buddha statues? But all hell will break lose if the Buddhists destroy a mosque! You should see the pics of the stautes... Amazing, what they did all those years ago without the &quot;modern&quot; equipment!

Furthermore, if you want to go back in history... Hinduism is endemic to the Indian sub-continent. The Muslims were the aggressors i.e. they came invading from the west... the Hindus never went invading Arabia. If you use the &quot;land&quot; logic than the Muslims are the invaders but Gandhi opposed their &quot;removal&quot; from Hindu India in the late 1940s.

BTW, kudos to the Gandhi. He was a toughie under that small stature. He stood up against powerful forces to protect the minorities incl the Muslims &amp; &quot;untouchables&quot;. He paid for it with his life coz his killer was a radical pro-Hindu fundamentalist. 

I wish Kenya had had a Gandhi. Kenyatta certainly wasn&#039;t it...

We need a Israeli &amp; Palestinian &amp; Iraqi &amp; American &amp; World... Gandhi! 
Martin Luther King &amp; Nelson Mandela took lessons from Gandhian philosophy &amp; they have done wonders for &quot;peace&quot;. 

S.Africa was a powder keg with the Afrikaners, Xhosa &amp; Zulu. Some S.Africans call Mandela a &quot;sell-out&quot; but he was wise &amp; far-sighted. His &quot;retirement&quot; after the transition was the first in my living years for an African president. Nyerere left &quot;peacefully&quot; but after many years of misrule &amp; he did unintentionally ruin TZ&#039;s economy. 

MLK started the Rights Movement on an irreversible path. His speeches are amazing to listen to. He does NOT denigrate the &quot;others&quot; right while he fights for his peoples&#039; rights. It is sad that he was killed to be replaced by charlatans like Jesse Jackson &amp; Al Sharpton.

Malcolm X is another leader who converted to Islam under the very non-Islamic &quot;Fruit of Islam&quot; but then saw the &quot;real&quot; Islam &amp; changed to forgo violence &amp; preached a brotherhood of ALL Men. Of course, he was killed too for his peaceful beliefs.

Gotta stop before I mellow completely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly, I am encouraged by the counterpoints &amp; arguments that counter my arguments&#8230;. (felt good writing that)&#8230;.</p>
<p>BUT since the American Embassy bombings in Nairobi, I have become increasingly pro-Israel or pro-western&#8230;  &#8220;The Tipping Point&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, the Americans assisted post-bombings coz it was moral &amp; ethical PLUS they were looking for clues&#8230; BUT the Brits &amp; Israelis had no need to do so&#8230;. Offering condolences would have looked good but they offered REAL support. </p>
<p>I ask again&#8230; did any of the Muslim States offer/send Kenyan victims any assistance? </p>
<p>Alwaleed Bin Talal (Saudi Billionaire who owns a good chunk of Fairmont which recently bought the Mt. Kenya Safari Club, Norfolk &amp; Aberdares) gave MILLIONS of US$ (though rejected by the City of NY on political grounds) to NYC after Sep 11 2001 to partially DIFFUSE &#8220;Muslim guilt&#8221; but nothing to Kenya?</p>
<p>Israel sent rescuers to Nyamakima&#8230; That was amazing considering there was no &#8220;reason&#8221; for them to be there! These was STUPID Kenyans at their worst&#8230; Poor design, greed &amp; corruption&#8230; Nothing to do with Israel!   </p>
<p>We have deliberately keep Israel at bay due to politics &#8211; not to upset Muslim Kenyans many of whom criticise Israel but not Osama who was supposedly behind the Embassy bombings- &amp; what has that gotten us? </p>
<p>We have so much to learn from a country that grows among the world&#8217;s best oranges (Jaffa) in a desert, is a major diamond cutting center, high-tech mecca (did you know that the original ICQ &#8211; precursor to IM &#8211; was an Israeli invention), superior medical treatments, etc</p>
<p>M &#8211; The Buddhists never destroyed any mosques so what was the point of the Taliban enraging the Buddhists by destroying PRE-ISLAMIC Buddha statues? But all hell will break lose if the Buddhists destroy a mosque! You should see the pics of the stautes&#8230; Amazing, what they did all those years ago without the &#8220;modern&#8221; equipment!</p>
<p>Furthermore, if you want to go back in history&#8230; Hinduism is endemic to the Indian sub-continent. The Muslims were the aggressors i.e. they came invading from the west&#8230; the Hindus never went invading Arabia. If you use the &#8220;land&#8221; logic than the Muslims are the invaders but Gandhi opposed their &#8220;removal&#8221; from Hindu India in the late 1940s.</p>
<p>BTW, kudos to the Gandhi. He was a toughie under that small stature. He stood up against powerful forces to protect the minorities incl the Muslims &amp; &#8220;untouchables&#8221;. He paid for it with his life coz his killer was a radical pro-Hindu fundamentalist. </p>
<p>I wish Kenya had had a Gandhi. Kenyatta certainly wasn&#8217;t it&#8230;</p>
<p>We need a Israeli &amp; Palestinian &amp; Iraqi &amp; American &amp; World&#8230; Gandhi!<br />
Martin Luther King &amp; Nelson Mandela took lessons from Gandhian philosophy &amp; they have done wonders for &#8220;peace&#8221;. </p>
<p>S.Africa was a powder keg with the Afrikaners, Xhosa &amp; Zulu. Some S.Africans call Mandela a &#8220;sell-out&#8221; but he was wise &amp; far-sighted. His &#8220;retirement&#8221; after the transition was the first in my living years for an African president. Nyerere left &#8220;peacefully&#8221; but after many years of misrule &amp; he did unintentionally ruin TZ&#8217;s economy. </p>
<p>MLK started the Rights Movement on an irreversible path. His speeches are amazing to listen to. He does NOT denigrate the &#8220;others&#8221; right while he fights for his peoples&#8217; rights. It is sad that he was killed to be replaced by charlatans like Jesse Jackson &amp; Al Sharpton.</p>
<p>Malcolm X is another leader who converted to Islam under the very non-Islamic &#8220;Fruit of Islam&#8221; but then saw the &#8220;real&#8221; Islam &amp; changed to forgo violence &amp; preached a brotherhood of ALL Men. Of course, he was killed too for his peaceful beliefs.</p>
<p>Gotta stop before I mellow completely!</p>
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		<title>By: Sammie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VituVingi: It is not the fault of the glass that it was there when somebody tipped it over and it smashed to pieces.

Same case: Its not our (or anybody&#039;s for that matter) fault if we were born after Christian Crusaders, Slave trade, WWI, WWII, et al.

Point is: War and the illusion of conquest is as old as the earth, and casualties  were (and will continue to be) many. Its just a pity that we take sides (depending) to justify its necessity.  There is a reason for these atrocities:
1. Ethnic cleansing (or so  described in &quot;flowery&quot; language)
2. Religious fundamentalism (The kind that saw the crusaders, JIHAD, the Missionaries etc).
3. Testing  and trading of weapons. (have You ever asked yourself how SomaliLand got so many guns, yet got no food?)
4. Resource arbitration (that has all of Iraq&#039;s oil going to the States, all diamonds in Congo to France/belgium, janjuweed chasing away the &#039;black&#039; muslims in Darfur)

All in all, we should never forget that WAR is like LOVE; You win some , you lose some.
WHile we pontificate on the virtues that the UN should be enforcing, milions of innocent lives are lost and millions of dollars are clinking in the various banks;

Go figere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VituVingi: It is not the fault of the glass that it was there when somebody tipped it over and it smashed to pieces.</p>
<p>Same case: Its not our (or anybody&#8217;s for that matter) fault if we were born after Christian Crusaders, Slave trade, WWI, WWII, et al.</p>
<p>Point is: War and the illusion of conquest is as old as the earth, and casualties  were (and will continue to be) many. Its just a pity that we take sides (depending) to justify its necessity.  There is a reason for these atrocities:<br />
1. Ethnic cleansing (or so  described in &#8220;flowery&#8221; language)<br />
2. Religious fundamentalism (The kind that saw the crusaders, JIHAD, the Missionaries etc).<br />
3. Testing  and trading of weapons. (have You ever asked yourself how SomaliLand got so many guns, yet got no food?)<br />
4. Resource arbitration (that has all of Iraq&#8217;s oil going to the States, all diamonds in Congo to France/belgium, janjuweed chasing away the &#8216;black&#8217; muslims in Darfur)</p>
<p>All in all, we should never forget that WAR is like LOVE; You win some , you lose some.<br />
WHile we pontificate on the virtues that the UN should be enforcing, milions of innocent lives are lost and millions of dollars are clinking in the various banks;</p>
<p>Go figere.</p>
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		<title>By: I</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA HA HA HA.... first of all let me ask this.. who the hell is in charge to the Narc-K website?!?!
dude needs to get his a*** sucked!! he and the rattling snake!! he he.. dude skin looks like that of a rattle snake.. ha ha ha ha .. wow!! 


Correct me if i am wrong but i know i heard that the UAE was building islands to represent every country in the world somewhere in the waters, i suggest, the Israeli and  Hezbollah be taken to their man made Island and let them settle their differences without involving the civillian population. 
But on the same token, all this started with Hezbollah digging a tunnel and into Israel and killing two Israeli soldiers and taking one hostage..  i think Israel needs to step up its game.. and stop letting Hezbollah kick they candy behinds.. its just no fair.. 
And the UN, i could have not used a better statment to refer to them &quot;well oiled talking machine&quot;, that whole organization needs to be dissolved!! it does not make sense and it has lost its purpose!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA HA HA HA&#8230;. first of all let me ask this.. who the hell is in charge to the Narc-K website?!?!<br />
dude needs to get his a*** sucked!! he and the rattling snake!! he he.. dude skin looks like that of a rattle snake.. ha ha ha ha .. wow!! </p>
<p>Correct me if i am wrong but i know i heard that the UAE was building islands to represent every country in the world somewhere in the waters, i suggest, the Israeli and  Hezbollah be taken to their man made Island and let them settle their differences without involving the civillian population.<br />
But on the same token, all this started with Hezbollah digging a tunnel and into Israel and killing two Israeli soldiers and taking one hostage..  i think Israel needs to step up its game.. and stop letting Hezbollah kick they candy behinds.. its just no fair..<br />
And the UN, i could have not used a better statment to refer to them &#8220;well oiled talking machine&#8221;, that whole organization needs to be dissolved!! it does not make sense and it has lost its purpose!!</p>
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		<title>By: bankelele</title>
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		<dc:creator>bankelele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not likely to end soon (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/world/middleeast/28arabs.html?ei=5065&amp;en=ae60808165865632&amp;ex=1154664000&amp;partner=MYWAY&amp;pagewanted=print)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not likely to end soon (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/world/middleeast/28arabs.html?ei=5065&amp;en=ae60808165865632&amp;ex=1154664000&amp;partner=MYWAY&amp;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/world/middleeast/28arabs.html?ei=5065&amp;en=ae60808165865632&amp;ex=1154664000&amp;partner=MYWAY&amp;pagewanted=print</a>)</p>
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