Of Censorship
11
October
A heated battle is being fought on various fronts in the KBW Blogosphere. Unfortunately the issues at hand are quickly getting lost, as personalities become the pivot rather than the issues.
An unfortunate state of affairs indeed.
From what I can gather, the facts are as follows:
- Acolyte put up a post on his blog
- Some people objected to the content of the blog
- Acolyte received a mail informing him that he had been taken off the KBW aggregator due to his post
- The KBW admin team put up a post clarifying grounds from expulsion from the aggregator
- Acolyte denies that this was the reason for which he was expelled
- One of the Admin put up a post further clarifying that Acolyte had not in fact been removed from KBW - he had only been removed from the aggregator
The debate now seems to be generating more heat than light, and the issues at hand seem to be getting lost in the furore.
Many of us will recall the post in question. The subject matter was the meeting between one George Bush of The USA and one Jakaya Kikwete, of Tanzania. That Acolyte objected to their discussing Kenya’s stability, or lack thereof, was apparent.
The post drew responses from far and wide, including one or two or three from Ndesanjo Macha of Jikomboe, who correspondingly objected to Acolyte’s post.
Acolyte himself subsequently admitted that his wording was too strong. He then took down the post.
Some days later Acolyte received an email informing him that he had been removed from the aggregator forthwith.
The email, available here, makes some statements that raise more questions than answers
One of the aims of KBW is to foster and develop a strong, positive, progressive and unified online community where issues are discussed civilly even when disagreements arise
The strong I get. The progressive I get.
But:
- What is a “positive community” Positive according to which criteria? Positive according to who?
- Why should we be “unified”? Isn’t diversity what makes a community vibrant?
There is a further post from the KBW admin to correct the impression that Acolyte had been kicked out of KBW. And then there is a post from MentalAcrobatics, the founder and an Admin member of KBW.
He put up a comment in response to some queries and it is this comment that raises some concerns with me. He says
We have never stated that being a member of KBW automatically means you will be on the aggregator. Being on the aggregator is not a right of KBW membership.
This I find puzzling. This means that
- There are some criteria to being a KBW member. These have been outlined clearly
- There are some additional criteria to having your blog in the aggregator. As far as I can ascertain, these have not been clarified.
If anything, the extensive excellent documentation from KenyaUnlimited claims otherwise.
This page for instance states as follows:
The KenyaUnlimited Aggregator was launched in April 2006. It displays the latest posts from KBW member blogs as they are published and is updated every hour on the hour. If you are a KBW member and your blog does not appear on the aggregator please email us
It is news to me that being a KBW member does not qualify one to be on the aggregator. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks that it is implied, especially if there is nothing saying the contrary, and especially more upon reading the excerpt above.
The question is:
- What are these criteria
- Where are these criteria
- Why are they not in the open, in the interests of transparency
I have no problem in maintaining control of the aggregator, or even KBW itself provided that the rules are set, the rules are clear, and the rules are in the open.
Until then it is going to be very difficult to justify Acolyte’s expulsion from the aggregator, and why this does not amount to censorship. Bloggers unite as one to defend freedom of expression in the media.
We cannot make up the rules that go along. It is not fair to the membership and it will certainly make administration of KBW even more difficult.
The same benchmark should be adhered to online.
We may not agree with each other but we must fight to the death to defend each other’s right to speak our minds.
This is not to take anything away from the KBW admin. From all accounts they have done quite the job helping bloggers set up and start blogging.
Kenyan bloggers, as bloggers and as a community stand head and shoulder above many others as a community when it comes to being dynamic and vibrant in the blogosphere.
Hats off.
P.S. And I hotly dispute Uaridi’s assertion that if there was no aggregator there is no KBW. As Mental himself has said, there was KBW before there was an aggregator. In fact, if there were no bloggers there would be no KBW for sure.
There will continue to be without one.
We must begin to differentiate the infrastructure from the community. KBW is not the infrastructure it is the people.
It is the people.
Ice Cube & DMX - Eye Of The Tiger (Remix)




1. PG
(1 Comments) | October 11th, 2006 at 11:01 pm
Exactly. Like I said, may be the time is right to separate ownership and administration of the ring.
The KBW Admin must now put the interests of the webring first.
2. Devious One
(2 Comments) | October 11th, 2006 at 11:03 pm
Woooow…well put…lets see what KBW admin has to say since they keep choking on their own words
3. joe
(78 Comments) | October 11th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
well put M for a long time i thought you were only a stooge for the admin but i must say i was wrong .Ithink you have hit the nail on the head .I would also like to say that yes it is not about personalities but principles.I hope that this will indeed be a lesson to those who refuse to stand for justice thinking that it could not happen to them. i think my own history and others who have been forced to leave KBW speaks for itself.I PERSONALLY would expect a public apology and the reinstatement of the voiceless others like myself who were forced to leave KBW because nobody was there to stand up for us.though it is said that justice delayed is justice denied .i say it is never too late to right wrongs done in the past.If we as young people dispite our differences wish to be different from the old people we often castigate we have to live and show by example.I have personally been very restraint in this fall out for the sake of maturity and justice . i simply hope that those of us who were denied justice and insulted by the KBW adm will get our due justice and apologies.
4. acolyte
(177 Comments) | October 11th, 2006 at 11:35 pm
M as usual you have said what I have always wanted to say but in a much more fluent manner!
you have raised important issues that I am going to bring up in part 3
1. This issue is much bigger than me! KBW has over 200 members now but has no laid down policies to deal with issues like my situation.
2. I don’t even know why there is double-speak when I have availed the e-mail I was sent. It is obvious that one person is operating without the other’s knowledge or someone is acting without thinking.
“We cannot make up the rules that go along. It is not fair to the membership and it will certainly make administration of KBW even more difficult.” - Very well said. I will touch on it in part 3. Rest assured I still have alot to say!
Ps: In the sequence of events, I received the email then put up the post and that is when that disclaimer post went up. Why haven’t the admin said they sent me an e-mail warning me about taking down my code? Reason is that they didn’t and they know it; that is why they arent saying it.
Some truth would be appreciated!
5. Magaidi
(42 Comments) | October 11th, 2006 at 11:45 pm
I agree wholeheartedly. It seems to me like this got personal and didn’t have to go there. The issue should have been resolved when the post was taken down. The issue about being on the aggregator vis a vis being a KBW member seems to have crept along to legitimize what seems like someone’s vendatta. In any case, Aco stated he took the code out after being informed that he was no longer on the aggregator. Why be a member of KBW if your blog won’t receive the same benefits as others? Does Admin determine what blogs are ‘more deserving’ than others? How? There’s more here than meets the eye.
(this part for Joe)
Was the ODM involved?..LOL!
6. makanga
(2 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 12:27 am
Well said brethren.
7. VituVingiSana
(175 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 1:39 am
I am mega-confused but have no fear coz Acolytes is on my fav page… so KBW or not… I get Acolyte!
8. Whispering Inn
(26 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 3:09 am
Clearly, this whole charade reeks of censorship. And that cannot be allowed in any way, shape or form.
To quote Voltaire, while I did not agree with what Acolyte wrote, I will vehemently defend his right to say it.
9. kipepeo
(21 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 3:33 am
I usually steer clear of blog wars. But I totally agree with thinker and the clear way this post has put the issues at hand. This whole matter has greatly disturbed me.
10. Ciiku
(31 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 3:46 am
I agree with Kipepeo, I am truly disturbed about how this whole issue was handled.
Turning the issue into a personal matter does not equal being responsible.
M, Truer words have yet to be spoken on this issue.
Thank you!
11. Ntwiga
(25 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 5:02 am
M
Having not been to Acolyte’s website for a while, when I saw a comment that Ndesanjo had left at AB&H about this brouhaha, I could not for the life of me figure out what he was referring to.
Thanks for putting this summary up here - methinks there is more to this than meets the eye - I suggest taking a wait and see policy in the short term.
I wouldn’t be surprised if more came out about this within the week that would help give us a better understanding of some of motivations behind all this . . .
And I agree with you, all of this is now more heat and light. Not enough is being said about the content of the original post anyway. Let me hop over there and read the original post.
- Steve
12. acolyte
(177 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 5:50 am
@ Ntwiga
I have read alot of the comments and I agree things are now getting to the stage where there is more heat than light being generated. I have put aside my draft post and reached out to the administration. Contrary to what people out there may believe I would like this situation to be resolved in a calm and collected manner.
Like I said earlier, this issue is far larger than one post. And I will do my utmost to make sure that we stay focussed on the issue and not personalities.
13. POTASH
(11 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 11:31 am
I have never been interested in blog wars. Also I do not even find KBW relevant to me because I do not relate to more than 90% of the blogs. So I pulled down their badge but they still have me on the aggregator… that is their wow not mine.
I do not think KBW is a charity, I mean they do have a .com appendage and they run ads. It is someone’s commercial initiative and if their corporate culture includes pulling out blogs that do not fit within their editorial or whatever interests, let it be.
I abhor censorship and that is the reason I blog instead of churning copy for newspapers. But if I was to latch onto someone’s commercial venture then I would have to tow their line. And KBW is not a bloody NGO, to keep smiling at people who they do not like- they have their ad revenue and such other things that would naturally overide their messianic credibility to contend with.
The issue here as far as I am concerned is not of censorship but credibility and personal interest. If anyone is taking offence they could as well take offence too if KBL said it wasn’t making Tusker for them. If they do not need your patronage, take it somewhere else. Well, unless obviously you cannot stand on your own without them. So you can force it, then.
14. I
(120 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 4:29 pm
Wow… Once again the misuse of words is getting people in trouble.. i think people should refrain from using the word “positive” unless they are “positive” the phrase created will make sense…
Now i thought on blogs is where we can speak our minds without fear of repraisal?!!?
This seems to be merely the begining of a long battle…. All bloggers need to get together and revisit the reason why we started blogging in the first place…
…and as M said, without bloggers there would be no KBW….
… KBW needs to ask themselves who keeps them in business and show some repect and support for those who do…
15. Aegeus
(79 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
A lot of what the Administration put up was news to me. I thought all members automatically appear on the aggregator. I do not recall requesting for my posts to be aggregated, they automatically showed up. I did see Acolyte’s KBW code up on his page even a day after he disappeared from the aggregator. All this is giving me a headache. Live and let live I say.
16. Udi
(76 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
Me I tengenezad my popcorn and watched the 4th DVD of Beef. I am like Don King. I am going to support whoever gives me 50% commission
17. proctologist in training
(6 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Thank you for summing up this kerfuffle *grins* so concisely M. I look forward to reading Admin’s response clarifying the above.
Potash’s comments make for an interesting read and linking this to Uaridi’s comment to Mental re: shutting down the ring as is his “right”, it would appear that in addition to meeting the criteria, membership to KBW is granted at the discretion of the owner.
Key word OWNER
I.e. the person, who created, pays for and maintains the site so surely it should follow said owner retains the right to refuse or discontinue membership at any time so in essence the message is put up or shut up!
I spy with my little eye something beginning with Banana Republic.
18. Rista
(6 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
I’m curious… why would one NOT wish to be on the aggregator, and if so, shouldn’t the option be offered when we register?
This is how the Ayisi - Ochuodho fallout begun, waaaay back when (anyone remember? debates on intellectual property, etc.?)
19. Mentalacrobatics » Engaging in the issues
(No Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
[...] Now various assumptions have been made about this latest case and presented as FACTS. Thinker it is dangerous to present information you have come across as fact without clarifying it. We as an Admin Team and I as a person take personal privacy very seriously. Therefore i will not go into a history of the email between Acolyte and The Admin Team. Even if Acolyte did waiver his right to privacy and posted all the correspondence between him and the admin team over several months this would not be the correct forum for me to debate it. That in itself should let you that is not about one post, this is not about so called nonsensical vndettas by Admin Team members. I do not know if you have been in correspondence with Acolyte but as far as I am aware you have not taken any measures to contact the Admin Team about clarification on any of the so called facts. When responsible bloggers such as yourself, as opposed to muppets who join, leave, insult for 6 months and then surprise surprise want to join again, present information in that way it has the ability to cause unnecessary damage to the ring and the membership. Espically when in the same breath you label your post “On Censorship”. Where was the opportunity for the Admin Team to respond to your so called facts? Are you not by exclude one side of the argument engaging in a form of censorship you post seeks to root out? What you presented are NOT the facts. Again the decision is Acolyte’s if he wishes to display all the correspondence he has had with the Admin Team. [...]
20. acolyte
(177 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 7:13 pm
Thinker, could you please do us all a favour and thresh some meaning out of Menta’s latest 3000 word post? What do the rest of you think?
21. Njeri
(1 Comments) | October 12th, 2006 at 7:43 pm
That post from Mental looks to me like it was targeted directly at you. Again, personalities over the issues you raised.
Is it just me or has NONE of the issues you raised been answered?
22. toiyoi
(106 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 2:01 am
Let me ask a stupid question.
Suppose there were issues of cernsorship, so what? If one were not with the KBW, what would they lose? What does the tag “kenyan blog” mean anyway? Isn’t the world flat? I see and read good blogs that are neither tagged American nor Chinese nor.. If a blog is good, it will be found and read, no matter. Is this not what the web ( 2.0 at least) supposed to be all about, finding new ways of freedom ( expression etc)?
23. sas
(5 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 1:01 pm
@ mental callin some bloggers responsible and others muppets is generally rude and coming from you an adminstrator of the so called KBW is just wrong- a blogger is blogger whether he is full of crap or not he has a right to blog. Whether Aco want to present his correspondence with the admin team out inthe open as you correctly put is his business but the issues raised were not tackled. I will assume youre not one of the so called muppet- so how about being responsible ? put up a post on all the criteria and guidelines/policies…. so that we all can know
i know in any kind association there are rules and policies that govern how things work- we need such policies in black and white for all to see, understand and know the reasons as to why bloggers on KBW are challenging your team.
my challenge to you and your team is to be transparent ,have one voice when responding to such issues and let your reason be justified by not personalizing issues.
@ Thinkers- i guess mental was addressing you but we need the policies for all to see- the issue of someone/blogger contacting the admin team to know and verify facts is just irresponsible of KBW.
24. joe
(78 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
is it me or does this kbw have more than one administrator .ama are they creations of someones imagination.(clones) and why are the silent .i am just wondering out loud so dont come here attacking me . and by theway i am still waiting to hear if i am going to be reinstated .
25. inane
(3 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Like M said…………..what is KBW without the bloggers????i doubt it would be anything but a name.Everyone has a right to voice their opinion and in whichever way they choose to do thats is entirely up to them.
like Potash said KBW is a commercial site, yes and the members join at their own free will but does that mean that they cannot speak their minds due to a fear of being seggregated from the rest and in the case of Acolyte, severe punishment shall come in having their “privileges” revoked??true it is just a name and one does not have to have it for people to access your blog on the internet but shouldn’t it offer some privileges to those that have joined it
the KBW initiative is well appreciated but come on guys are we going back to medieval time where people cannot speak their minds for fear of being castigated and deemed as some sorta misfit just because they do not rub one,2 or 3 people the right way??
y’all “purpoted” responsible bloggers gotta be bigger than this
26. eclipse
(110 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Acolyte i stand with u…M u have clearly and explicitly brought out the issues….rules cannot be formed ad-hoc.
There was blogging before KBW…let the rules be made and set straight!
27. acolyte
(177 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
I have posted my final chapter of the interview and the lastest correspondence with the Admin. You wont believe how rude that email is. They seem to think that this is a personal attack. It is not and is far bigger than myself.
Go and see for yourselves http://mywordsonly.blogspot.com/2006/10/kbw-member-no-more-part-3-final-chapter.html
28. Nakeel
(75 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 5:24 pm
M this was clearly spelt but can see things are not going on well like there up.
29. Ken
(4 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
I believe that the Tz post was the cause of the beef.
The question I cant rid my mind of is - Acolyte belives in free speech and all the anti censorship thing but for some reason he deleted the post plus all the comments. Why ?
If for a second I step into the shoes of whoever administers the ‘aggregator’ (not KBW) I would consider the post quite unbecoming and harsh but not worth expulsion from KBW. Maybe a personal e-mail highlighting my dismay at the content and my expectations henceforth.
Acolyte you have wronged and you have been wronged, I think we should give the KBW admins some space to come up with something close to SOP which is something that should have been done a long time ago.
30. I
(3 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
@Mental…. Exactly what is your point?? if M is wrong in what he is saying, why don’t clarify?
…. insults are a sign of weakness!! dont do it… its very MUPPET like…
31. acolyte
(177 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
Ken, I removed the Tanzanian post so as to help Me and the offended Tanzanian party to move past the issue at hand.
Plus it was becoming a major cause of contention anyway and I knew the Admin would hold it against me if I left it up, and sure enough they did.
But I do agree that we do need a set of procedures to deal with that issue, but I dont see that call being heeded at all esp since I am the one who made it.
32. joe
(78 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
M since the hostilities are now official over i think we can get back to attacking ODM.but just before i resume what i said it is only now fair that you lift your censorship with regards to your last post see here http://www.thinkersroom.com/blog/2006/09/squared-circles/#comments.where your censorship was protecting a well known person .now that we have established that wapende wasipende blogs are censor free
33. VituVingiSana
(175 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
Joe - Acolyte’s post was NOT a personal attack on a blogger (like your comment was…) thus removed by M…
Anyway, the TZ folks don’t act like our neighbours so wacha wakae… They “blocked/closed” the border in 1977 or somewhere along those lines… and have been harassing Kenyans since…
- Ejection of media executives from Nation Group
- $100 fee for Kenyan drivers (later rescinded)
- Overtures to SADDC while ignoring EAC
This is a KENYAN blog ring… not TZ… Did I miss the “Kenya Blog Webring” or was it supposed to be a EA Blog Webring?
Tut..tut..
34. joe
(78 Comments) | October 13th, 2006 at 7:59 pm
vitu vingi just for the sake of a friday fight before i start my early weekend are u saying freedom isnt free and that some censorship is good. hehe LOL. M keep it censored(now its not censored because i asked for it to be hidden)
35. kimx
(7 Comments) | October 14th, 2006 at 10:21 am
“M” puts it right, “We may not agree with each other but we must fight to the [sic] death to defend each other’s right to speak our [sic] minds.”
First off: Since I started blogging in 2004 (anonymously, in different blogs– never mind that I am now exposing part of what I am trying to build. And probably never mind the fact that I nowadays comment more on the policies of ‘The Glad’Ol Party(GOP)” than I do on “Narcism(NARC)”. Heck, I could mask my IP address if I wanted to!) I have never joined KBW. This, partly because I am of the idea that so many ‘dreamy’ things were rendered irrelevant by those two young kids off the block at Google. Ask me, I have so many sexy-sounding domain names but nobody offers me a dime over ten bucks every time I try to sell them on e-bay. I digress.
If there are rules of engagement in KBW: SPELL them out.
Acolyte was wrong– You don’t pull out your post because people don’t agree with what you have to say. That’s not even self-censorship, just shows you are not sure of yourself (no funny innuendos intended).
Like “M” said,speak your mind! Remember those days when Moi almost banned the fax machine? My take: You can never stop a technology whose time has come. BUT
Yes, there is a BUT. Say all you want, for all I care. No insults, no “condescendation”. But always ask yourself: Twenty years on, can I stand by what I said?
You don’t have to: Twenty years is a long time to never have changed your mind or re-thought your position. As of now, write what you like. Acolyte, “M” s right to support you here. Are you with me?
36. Kenyangal
(5 Comments) | October 14th, 2006 at 1:24 pm
I REALLY DON’T WANT TO SIT ON THE FENCE but I agree with everything everyone is saying though I especially agree with Potash and with Joe
1. Much as we the members make KBW we do not own it and its not a Kenyan Public charity, if the owners don’t like the actions of a member they are within their rights to censor,
I feel this too much to ask
2. M censored Joe’s post as he deemed that it was insulting so don’t point fingers at KBW for censoring Aco if it was felt that he’s insulting…(Though I admit KBW should have made it clear why exactly he was censored)
Joe’s comment was removed because it made unsubstantiated damaging allegations about someone.
Not that it is what Joe said, but tell me, what would you like me to to to a comment from someone that says
Kenyangal sexually molests people?
Answer me that.
3. KBW needs to set clear policies to let their members know what is accepted and not accepted, but
4. Policies ARE created as people go along…as times change and new issues come up rules and regulations also are created, adapted or updated.
Anyway’s Acolyte and KBW are both integral parts of our blogging society, it would be nice for us all if they made their peace and worked together again, that way new members of KBW would get to read Aco’s creativity on the aggregator and KBW would get more hits Coz of Aco’s blog…(though hopefully Aco would desist from calling women and tanzanian presidents b****hes)
37. acolyte
(177 Comments) | October 14th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
@ Kimx,
I do agree with you that it was fundamentally wrong for me to pull down my post on the Tanzanian President, but I saw the storm it was going to create in KBW and that is what I was trying to forestall. But it failed miserably so I may have as well left the post up, but at no time at all did I retract my sentiments, just the language used to articulate them.
@ Kenyangal
We are more than aware that KBW is not a charity and I too mentioned that in part 3 of my post.
It is obvious that your belligerence towards Instigator clouds your view because at no point whatsoever did I call a woman a bitch, that was the work of another blogger. Please go back and read part 2 of the post and visit the links. So please put the torch and pitchfork down.
As for making peace, I tried it and you saw how that went…..
38. joe
(78 Comments) | October 14th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
ok on the issue of my being censored by M i have said it was well within his rights and i totally agree with his comments on this issue . freedom let us remember is not free, we have to operate within certain boundaries .we cant expect to get away with everything .And to that i am on the record stating that indeed M was within his rights and for the sake of my protection and the “accused” to censor.I think now geeting the jist of how tight the thin line of censorship really is. in the case of M even on that post you will see i didnt ccontest his censorship(dirty politics even blog politics tends to push envelopes.
Ithink the fact that M did not censor ,my unfortunate insults directed at him (i later gave my sincerest apologies)is a testament to M’s integrity and his use of censorship appropriately.
mY Raising the issue should not be taken seriously it is only to stimulate thinking .M i stand by you on this one
39. Adrian
(80 Comments) | October 16th, 2006 at 1:55 am
a “can’t we all just get along?” would be taking the easy route, heh?
i somehow found kbw more “comfortable” about a year ago. but i guess part of it is my loss of interest in blogging.
40. sidaki
(51 Comments) | October 16th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
free speech , idiots
41. Boi
(3 Comments) | October 17th, 2006 at 12:56 am
I don’t for one second believe that Nick and Afromusing can have anything to do with the pompous and arrogant decision
42. Ms K
(126 Comments) | October 18th, 2006 at 10:37 am
And this is what I get for trying to give my employer his full eight hours. I miss out on all this! Maybe I need my own aggregator!
43. donworry
(54 Comments) | October 18th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
The light and the heat and the passion of debate. This is the sign of a vibrant blogging community. Those in charge of administering such a concept have a huge responsibility not only to all of us here and the wider connected world but even beyond. The current trend is that the world of blogging is attracting a lot of attention from the traditional media outlets and hardly a day goes by without newspaper X or Radio station Y carrying an interview with a familiar blogger. Let us not allow differences to destroy what you have dedicated great individual and collective resourcefelness to build.
KBW is something to be proud of. The hardworking Team must know that their efforts are appreciated. They must also know that their labour of love will amount to very little if the general community feel that transparency has been sacrificed in the drive for greater efficiency:
I guess its worth recalling that the Titanic was the cutting edge modern ship of her time and was built by the professionals at the world famous Belfast shipyard. Noah was a jua-kali carpenter when he built the Ark……
44. donworry
(54 Comments) | October 18th, 2006 at 2:05 pm
Sorry, it seems I lost my point in the heat of excitement. I really wanted to say: there is no such thing as bad publicity perhaps someone could point me in the direction of the “offending article” just purely for research, you understand.
donworry@ntlworld.com
45. Digz Guy
(1 Comments) | October 19th, 2006 at 2:03 pm
I like the way we try and say this is not about personalities!
Thinker’s post was about personalities and a pattern of behaviour
Mental’s post was too!
So let’s not hid behind neutrality here - that would be a convenient facade!
Personal attacks are being made on people’s character or conduct, and as one would expect there are responses.
I may not agree with my ‘rela’ Mental on many issues but on this one - I’m with you bro!
Rumour-mongering is rife - not much can be done about that.
Strive for quality and let the chips fall where they will!
My two cents.
46. Jomo Jnr
(2 Comments) | October 20th, 2006 at 5:38 am
It is now clear that Mr Daudi Were suffers from a chronic mental condition as reflected by his actions and writings. Now that he is in Kenya, he might want to check himself into Mathare Hospital. More than ever, he now needs our help, support and prayers. Let us not beat him while he is down as it is un-African. To Mr Were, I say, seek psychiatric help.
47. blakblad
(1 Comments) | October 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
This post is so silly where do you even begin? It is clear that that thinker did not live up to his name on this one. Censorship because you do not appear on an aggregator? When the rss feed in question is still available to anyone who wants it? When the blog in question is still up? When the blogger is still free to write what he wants? Where is the censorship? thinker, think.
As for aco, the man is so dumb he can not even read a post he needs thinker to read it for him? Yes I know society is meant to protect the weakest amongst us and acolyte as he admitted above, must be amongst the mentally weak if he can not read a simple blog post. Remember this is the same aco who wanted to kill cripples (in yet another post he took down in embarrassment) maybe we should kill him for his lack of mental fortitude.
And the many of you who seem to have serious problems with KBW and the admin team, many of you who seem to have problems with mental, why do you not just leave KBW? It does not put any food on your tables does it? If KBW is a censorship body then start your own ring it can not be that hard can it if mental can do it. Or at the very least leave thinker alone and go and tell mental direct. Why do you hide here instead of emailing mental?
KBW supported mzalendo and other Kenyan online projects, yet all we hear are bad things about it. I heard about mzalendo from KBW. KenyaOnline got a email from KBW with Mzalendo and thinker knows this. He will never say anything good about KBW admin. Look in his archives, all he does is moan about the lack of support yet the group that support him get nothing but hate from him. No wonder Kenyans are reluctant to engage with his pet project. I have never heard Kipepeo say anything good about kbw yet she comes hear to moan about it? What other group connects Kenyans in the shags of Finland to other Kenyans?
They say you can judge a man or woman by their friends and enemies. Joe is an open enemy of kbw. Aco is an open enemy of kbw mocha is a closet enemy. Irena is an open enemy. Joe, aco, irena, mocha, which one of you would follow anyone of those anywhere?
Oh, and one more thing. It was a nice try but you’d score more points if you didn’t (unsuccessfully) hide behind your anonymity. When you gather the guts to stand by your words and defend some of your ludicrously preposterous allegations, let me know
48. uncle joe
(78 Comments) | October 20th, 2006 at 6:20 pm
i can see that this whole issue has turned into a low intensity fight with rela’s and sychophants comming out of the woodwork to insult people simply because they pointed out at injustices.
49. Jomo Jnr
(2 Comments) | October 21st, 2006 at 4:55 am
KBW ring should be renamed Old Housewives Club. Everyone seems embroiled in a bitter dispute, with the top brass competing to be chairlady of the hag’s guild. You should stick to sewing and knitting sessions and an occasional round of Friday night Bingo rather than blogging.
50. Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Kenyan Blogosphere: Debate over social responsibility, freedom of speech, and censorship
(No Comments) | October 23rd, 2006 at 3:57 pm
[...] Thinker’s Room, who noted that the debate was “generating more heat than light,” tried to summarize the events leading to the removal and the subsequent hot debate involving bloggers and readers: From what I can gather, the facts are as follows: • Acolyte put up a post on his blog • Some people objected to the content of the blog • Acolyte received a mail informing him that he had been taken off the KBW aggregator due to his post • The KBW admin team put up a post clarifying grounds from expulsion from the aggregator • Acolyte denies that this was the reason for which he was expelled • One of the Admin put up a post further clarifying that Acolyte had not in fact been removed from KBW - he had only been removed from the aggregator [...]
51. Student T
(1 Comments) | October 24th, 2006 at 3:21 am
Why cant we get along? We are at crossroads and we need to move to a higher level.
Peace, Love & Harmony.
52. Mwara
(1 Comments) | December 1st, 2006 at 10:56 pm
Hear,hear! Once I could stop laughing hard enough to carry on reading. Also I salute your taste(!) in reading matter.